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Joyent's Garden of Eden for Python Web Applications
Joyent is pleased to announce our “Garden of Eden” program offering free infrastructure for high-volume python web applications. If your python web application has 25,000 or more unique visitors every month, Joyent’s “Garden of Eden” program provides you, the python application developer, with unlimited on-demand compute, storage, memory, bandwidth for your python application (besides the nude, and buffed people everywhere). Joyent only asks that you provide Joyent unlimited access to your customer information and clickstream data. Grow your python application to 1,000,000 monthly uniques, all the infrastructure you need to run your application is on us. All we ask for is unlimited access to your customer information and clickstream data. This is no joke. We’re serious. Angel with a flaming sword guarding the garden serious.
Interested parties can get started by contacting Joyent’s developer concierge at playersclub [at] joyent [dot] com.
Update
A large number of people have contacted me asking if this offer is a shot at Google’s App Engine. It is not. Google’s App Engine Beta offers applications “500MB of storage, 200M megacycles of CPU per day, and 10GB bandwidth per day”. I don’t know what a “megacycle” is. Is it one thousand cycles? So that’s 200 million thousand? Anyways. Joyent believes these restrictions will allow a Python application to serve up to 25,000 uniques a months. From the website we read: “We expect most applications will be able to serve around 5 million pageviews per month”. That’s about 200 page views per user per month. Your mileage may vary. However, our offer is designed to allow the enterprising Python developer to continue to build a great website business on free infrastructure without the restrictions. Think of Joyent’s Garden of Eden as graduate school. Or the “real world”.
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...is this for real?!
— Jared 38 days ago #Sounds like a knock on Google App Engine, and nothing more.
— Nathan Youngman 38 days ago #Methinks they are taking the piss outta Google App Engine.
— Sam Highley 38 days ago #@Jared: for real. @Nathan: not a knock at all. With the 500MB storage and 5 million page view limit of Google App Engine, it would be very difficult to support 25,000 unique. Not impossible, but difficult. Joyent’s offer is for the application that has outgrown App Engine.
— David Young 38 days ago #Well, I already have a L size accelerator, but in any case it shouldn’t be too hard to replicate the Google APIs in a container, with the possible exception of the database layer, thus making yourself a neutral alternative to Google.
— Fazal Majid 38 days ago #Whoa. Garden of Eden, like, everybody who’s gaga over GAE, here’s another state of bliss that might not be all it’s cracked up to be. apples apples everywhere. Fruit from the tree of knowledge of… of who does what with your data, that’s what tree. Deep.
— David Reese 38 days ago #Perhaps the better question is, what do you want that data for, and who would do that to their user base? Sounds like a PR disaster waiting to happen.
— Ryan Ballantyne 38 days ago #Well, about that data, that’s the point: running on Google’s infrastructure, taking advantage of their user logins, you’re giving Google access to your user data, and much more beyond that.
— Adam 38 days ago #I have a webapp that gets about 50k uniques a month and could be re-written in Python.
:D
But I don’t think my users would like me giving out that data.
— Arcturus Kirwin 38 days ago #Great job Joyent… First Google just started. And later if we all put all the eggs in Google basket, the Net will implode… :)
— Hugo Romano 38 days ago #Hmm… except Google doesn’t get access to your user data. If they do, they’re breaking the contract, and you can sue them.
6.3. Except as provided in Section 8, Google acknowledges and agrees that it obtains no right, title or interest from you (or your licensors) under these Terms in or to any Content or the Application that you create, submit, post, transmit or display on, or through, the Service, including any intellectual property rights which subsist in that Content and the Application (whether those rights happen to be registered or not, and wherever in the world those rights may exist).
— Daniel Drucker 38 days ago #@Daniel thanks for pulling that clause out. But does Google not track who uses its own Google user logins? Does Google not track clickstreams whenever you try to monetize with AdSense?
— Adam 38 days ago #Sorry to monopolize the comments, @Daniel, but take a look at clause 3.2:
Which then states right up top under Personal Information:
(emphasis mine)
I see your quote of 6.3 as Google not laying claim to the stuff you put on the server (e.g., code & BigTable), but everything that happens in the browser (e.g., user identity and clickstream) seems to go to Google.
— Adam 38 days ago #“Customer data” is much more than activity and clickstream: real people and company names, street addresses, phone & fax numbers, just to name a few. Do you, Joyent, really want all this data?
— zgoda 38 days ago #If I’d be seriously into any e-business, I’d not share this with nobody for any price, unless requested by authorities.
@All: yes, we want all the data (customer and clickstream). No different than what Google wants. But you get free infrastructure to serve all the users you can find for your app. Unlimited.
— David Young 38 days ago #From app host war to customer data war ,
host spec is easy to see based
on tech and hackers are more familiar ,
but data limit is fuzzy and hard to figure out which
basded on privacy norm and law which is lawyer’s
even politicians’s world.
Kind of strange and danger.
— qq 38 days ago #If this trend continue,only lawyer win at last.
The fact that you don’t know what mega means does not tend to make we want to use your services. Perhaps you should brush up on SI prefixes and the metric system.
— jeffrey w. baker 38 days ago #From your post: “Google’s App Engine Beta offers applications “500MB of storage, 200M megacycles of CPU per day, and 10GB bandwidth per day”
App Engine is only in the pre-release Beta. It wont be like this when they formally release.
You are picking wrong arguments for comparison
— Rushi 38 days ago #This IS different. Google gets only login information users provide when creating Google account, and clickstream. No phone numbers, no sex specification, no nationality, no location data (if my service asks users to provide such informations, I do not have to share this with Google). Joyent seems to ask for all that.
— zgoda 38 days ago #How do you want the data? Will you harvest it yourself? Or will the startup give it to you every week? month?
— jk 37 days ago #